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"I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby Eric Renderking Fisk » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:26 am

I read this on Facebook this morning and wanted to share with you guys...


Kylie Rasku wrote: Since everyone else is giving their $.02, I will too, but I'll be brief. Carlin's POV is understandable - it is, in my view, the view of human nature we've been primed to have since the first dark ages. "Give up on the average man, he's nothing and no one - he's a dumb animal." What garbage! Kepler was an "average man", so was Einstein, so was Gandhi. What if they believed as Carlin believes? Would they have bothered to do anything at all?

Yes, people can be hypnotised and manipulated, we're not robots. We share a brainstem with all other animals. That does not, however, negate what man is capable of - nor does it negate our responsibility to protect man's capabilities by giving him the correct social and political environment in which to thrive. There are people throughout history who believe they are better than everyone else - that they deserve the world and all its beauty and treasures. That they deserve it so deeply, they have the right to take it away from all other human beings by any means necessary. They are evil, and they are wrong. Just because they are winning at the moment does not mean we should give up on anyone - including ourselves.


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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby DanielJones » Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:30 pm

It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes.

I am a creationist; I refuse to believe that I could have evolved from humans.
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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby Henri Defense » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:38 pm

I have to say that there are day that I agree 100% with George. Then there are other where it waivers from maybe 40% to 60%. ;)

But in essence, I agree. I tend to believe that people are inherently good, like you guys here. Good people, contributing good things to the world. But as a WHOLE, we as a society, maybe even as a species are going down the drain just like he said. I often tell my friends that I love individuals. I hate PEOPLE.



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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby Super Ordinary Guy » Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:44 am

Henri Defense wrote:I have to say that there are day that I agree 100% with George. Then there are other where it waivers from maybe 40% to 60%. ;)

But in essence, I agree. I tend to believe that people are inherently good, like you guys here. Good people, contributing good things to the world. But as a WHOLE, we as a society, maybe even as a species are going down the drain just like he said. I often tell my friends that I love individuals. I hate PEOPLE.



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My wife always says "Given enough time, people will ruin anything "......I tend to agree.
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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby n11pilot » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:04 pm

I find something interesting in the late MR Carlin's diatribe on making a separate peace with stupidity and human failure and that is the man himself. When you watch the video you tend to concentrate on his words, but perhaps due to my inner cynic I am also looking at him. In the video MR Carlin seems to be seated rather comfortably in nice surroundings. He seems to be well nourished and not bearing the signs or scars of torture or maltreatment of any kind. MR Carlin, at the point that this video was made, had reached an age that sixty years before in this country would have been remarkable and is a rare thing in many countries around the world even today. MR Carlin had achieved a level of wealth and privilege that afforded him the ability use his life in the manner consistent with his desires.

MR Carlin may have divorced himself from his fellow man in general and his fellow countrymen in particular but he did not seem to divorce himself from the "Good life". If MR Carlin had been serious about said divorce he would have walked away from all of his comforts which were provided by the very things and people that he so despised, and lived out the rest of his life in a cave. He would have given up the food grown by his fellow man that nourished him. He would have given up the medicines that came by way of the wasted big brains of scientists that were keeping him alive. He would not have amused himself through any popular mediums, driven a car built by drones, or worn comfortable clothing sold by wasted humans.

MR Carlin gave up none of those things. Rather he clung to them all in hypocritical desperation until the day he died. MR Carlin was a very funny man when he was on the job as a comedian. In that role as a comic he brought many people to laughter, myself included. I suspect however that in his private life, his real life, MR Carlin was a sad, bitter, self disappointed man who saw neither joy nor beauty in anything. Worse yet I suspect that MR Carlin was one of the emotionally lowest types of human, a phony.

I thank MR Carlin for the laughs but I reject his self important, destructive, and hypocritical philosophy.
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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby DanielJones » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:11 pm

Henri Defense wrote:I have to say that there are day that I agree 100% with George. Then there are other where it waivers from maybe 40% to 60%. ;)

But in essence, I agree. I tend to believe that people are inherently good, like you guys here. Good people, contributing good things to the world. But as a WHOLE, we as a society, maybe even as a species are going down the drain just like he said. I often tell my friends that I love individuals. I hate PEOPLE.

Henri


Reminds me of another quote from Men in Black.
Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.
Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.


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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby Henri Defense » Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:13 pm

Well put Dan. 8)




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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby DanielJones » Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:02 pm

Henri Defense wrote:Well put Dan. 8)


Henri


Thanks! I would have to agree with George though. We were given a gift and what have we done with it? We have this large brain and great potential for greatness and all we do is manage to limit ourselves. We as a species are alway on the brake pedal so we don ever advance forward in a timely manner. Imagine how advanced we would be if we would just get of the brakes and hit the gas once and a while. But then the species gets scared and hits the brakes. From about 1900 to about the mid 1980's we had a freakishly fast advance in all kinds of technology and medical technology, then all of a sudden the advances slowed. Sure we've had good advances in computers but not at the pace of the past.
Heck, our government can't even come to an agreement on how to balance a budget and almost shut down. We go around the world espousing the benefits of a democratic government and the other countries are most likely looking at us and saying to themselves, if that is what it is like, no thanks. George is right, our species is a huge freak show. Kay was correct as well, "People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals..." If there are aliens monitoring this planet, they most likely dread the idea of us getting off this planet and exploring the universe, because we would do to other planets that we are doing to this one.

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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby Steve » Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:46 pm

(I wrote this was informed that Dan had also posted at the same time, and along similar lines, sorry for the redundancy.)

Carlin's criticisms were rarely directed at individuals. They were usually at a nameless, faceless "them." "Them, they, people," he would always say. The ignorance and short-sightedness of the masses was what infuriated him most, and it's what always infuriates me as well.

To a certain extent, I agree with Carlin. The American consumer culture has painted itself into a corner. We crave and we consume, and the more we consume, the more we want. Just look at the cell phone advertisements. "Ruling the Air?" Give me a break. We have become a culture obsessed with how fast we can download a song or a game to a mobile device.

There has always been a natural progression of technology and information transferal. Cuneiform, papyrus and linen scrolls, vellum, bound books, mass-produced bound books by means of printing presses and industry, then paperbacks and now the devices that can carry multiple volumes at once. And I'm okay with that. I still prefer a bound book to a device, but I can do both. But this sudden urge and obsession to have the whole world and all our caprices in a pocket-sized device does not strike me as part of the natural order.

The more people I talk to, the more people I meet who have a hard time thinking analytically or for the long term. Less people can pronounce the names of foreign cities. Half of the people I see on my university campus seem to represent the lowest common denominator of people who do nothing but complain about inconveniences and issues of no consequence.

I don't buy into the fact that man is basically good at the core. Good is a very broad and vague term. Human beings are naturally selfish, we act in our own self interest.
What elevates us above the animals is that BY CHOICE we are capable of silencing our impulses and deferring to the wants and needs of others at the expense of what we want.
Without any sort of discipline, children retain the selfish nature of their infancy, I see it every day at the karate school where I teach, in kids, teens and adults. What worries me is that there has been a definite breakdown of discipline.

I don't take the easy route and blame "liberal pinko hippie ideology" for some change in the way kids are taught to behave. I attribute it back to my original point about the whole of society. America is a consumer culture, and in our quest to have it all with as little work as possible, the kids of today are givings us a preview of tomorrow's culture. Adults want it easy, they let their kids have it easy. I agree with Carlin that we are circling the drain, because I firmly believe, sad though it may be, that people who are aware of what's going on around them, like the fellowship of people on this forum, are the minority.
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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby Major Eaton » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:47 pm

It's social engineering.
We have top men working on it....right now.
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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby DanielJones » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:12 pm

It's funny. I never had a cell phone up until about a month ago, I was perfectly ok with a land line to the house. The only reason I got one was to help me in my job hunt so a potential employer could get ahold of me easily when I was out from the house. It's a nifty gizmo and all but I could easily live without it. We are so dependent on technology that if we were called upon to survive in the wilderness we lack the basic skills to even start a fire or build a shelter to keep warm and dry. Now without technology, society would come to a screeching halt and so many would not survive.

When we moved we purged so much "stuff" from our home and still had a lot. Our next move will have a purge in it as well. I don't need to keep up with the Joneses and have "every" modern convenience. Heck, even the commercials out there make fun of consumerism. Getting a 3D TV and seeing an ad for a 4D TV and lamenting the obsolete choice. Getting a faster this and that, yet we as a species still limit ourselves mentally. We believe a lot of what we read or hear out in the world without question or hesitation.

So, it makes me wonder, how many times has the human species peaked in technology and in creating societies only to be kicked back down the ladder to the stone or bronze age? We were watching Ax Men last night, and it is a rare thing indeed for me to watch that show, It really has no place on the History Channel to begin with. So, we are watching the part with the swamp loggers and all I could think of, looking at this barefoot guy in bib overalls talking about having three kids at home and one on the way, was how they were acting and talking and how it is small wonder that other countries are laughing at us. Yes we are circling the drain and by choice to boot.

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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby Blackthorn » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:36 pm

For myself, I wrote Carlin off in the early 80's when there was a big controversy over arming the freedom fighters in Nicaragua or El Salvador (sorry, I can't remember which country after this many years) who were fighting for survival against their Communist oppressors. Ed Asner and Penny Marshall came out in favor of the Communists and of letting the freedom fighters get massacred. And I remember Carlin's routine: "If crime fighters fight crime...and firefighters fight fire...what do freedom fighters fight?" I never listened to him again.
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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby Henri Defense » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:45 pm

blackthorn wrote:For myself, I wrote Carlin off in the early 80's when there was a big controversy over arming the freedom fighters in Nicaragua or El Salvador (sorry, I can't remember which country after this many years) who were fighting for survival against their Communist oppressors. Ed Asner and Penny Marshall came out in favor of the Communists and of letting the freedom fighters get massacred. And I remember Carlin's routine: "If crime fighters fight crime...and firefighters fight fire...what do freedom fighters fight?" I never listened to him again.



I'd write that off as a bad joke. Like "If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?" :roll:





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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby Blackthorn » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:56 pm

Henri Defense wrote:
blackthorn wrote:For myself, I wrote Carlin off in the early 80's when there was a big controversy over arming the freedom fighters in Nicaragua or El Salvador (sorry, I can't remember which country after this many years) who were fighting for survival against their Communist oppressors. Ed Asner and Penny Marshall came out in favor of the Communists and of letting the freedom fighters get massacred. And I remember Carlin's routine: "If crime fighters fight crime...and firefighters fight fire...what do freedom fighters fight?" I never listened to him again.



I'd write that off as a bad joke. Like "If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?" :roll:





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I just didn't think it was funny, throwing people under the bus for a joke, when they were fighting for their lives. I don't find humor in that.
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Re: "I gave up on my species" - George Carlin

Postby Eric Renderking Fisk » Mon May 16, 2011 12:22 pm


Someone on Facebook suggested that I post this video in this tread and I had to agree since I've experienced some things in the past few months that forces me to put a big huge spot light on what's really going on. I have to admit that there are facts that we can't ignore as we get older, such as the more we're taxed the less services are provided from the government that's taxing us - the clearest example are the bridges on the other side of the boarder in Massachusetts that have been closed because they are in such disrepair and the roads leading to them have horrible potholes that throw smaller cars out of alignment.

We know that we're being manipulated, distracted and desensitized by the media. There are so many other distractions such as sports, reality TV and an abundance of free porn and dating sites on line that are keeping us focused on anything and everything except what's really important.

Who is really in charge of "The World," who are on this "Committee Of They" I've spoken about in the past?
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