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Climate Impacts on Ancient Societies...

Postby DanielJones » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:32 pm

New Evidence for Climate Impacts on Ancient Societies

ScienceDaily (Jan. 14, 2011) — Annual-resolved European summer climate has, for the first time ever, been reconstructed over the past 2,500 years. Tree rings reveal possible links between past climate variability and changes in human history. Climate change coincided with periods of socioeconomic, cultural and political turmoil associated with the Barbarian Migrations, the Black Death and Thirty Years' War.
An international research team of archaeologists, climatologists, geographers and historians led by Willy Tegel (University of Freiburg, Institute for Forest Growth) and Ulf Büntgen (Swiss Federal Research Institute WSL) compared variations in European summer climate with conspicuous events and episodes in human history.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110113082627.htm

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Re: Climate Impacts on Ancient Societies...

Postby Super Ordinary Guy » Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:05 pm

How come Al Gore didn't warn those people about climate change so they could stop it.... :roll:
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Re: Climate Impacts on Ancient Societies...

Postby n11pilot » Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:20 pm

Super Ordinary Guy wrote:How come Al Gore didn't warn those people about climate change so they could stop it.... :roll:




This is exactly the type of information that the Al Gores of the World would like us to ignore. It seems that too many facts just get in the way of Climate Change as a Religion.
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Re: Climate Impacts on Ancient Societies...

Postby Blackthorn » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:47 pm

Super Ordinary Guy wrote:How come Al Gore didn't warn those people about climate change so they could stop it.... :roll:


He hadn't invented the internet back then, so no one could get the word out.
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Re: Climate Impacts on Ancient Societies...

Postby CharlieB » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:08 pm

blackthorn wrote:
Super Ordinary Guy wrote:How come Al Gore didn't warn those people about climate change so they could stop it.... :roll:


He hadn't invented the internet back then, so no one could get the word out.


Yeah, and it would have been in Latin anyway....
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Re: Climate Impacts on Ancient Societies...

Postby Cousi » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:58 am

I'll add this to the discussion:
Geologist Connects Regular Changes of Earth's Orbital Cycle to Changes in Climate
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(Apr. 6, 2010)
In an analysis of the past 1.2 million years, UC Santa Barbara geologist Lorraine Lisiecki discovered a pattern that connects the regular changes of Earth's orbital cycle to changes in Earth's climate.

The finding is reported in the scientific journal Nature Geoscience.
Lisiecki performed her analysis of climate by examining ocean sediment cores. These cores come from 57 locations around the world. By analyzing sediments, scientists are able to chart Earth's climate for millions of years in the past. Lisiecki's contribution is the linking of the climate record to the history of Earth's orbit.

It is known that Earth's orbit around the sun changes shape every 100,000 years. The orbit becomes either more round or more elliptical at these intervals. The shape of the orbit is known as its "eccentricity." A related aspect is the 41,000-year cycle in the tilt of Earth's axis.
Glaciation of Earth also occurs every 100,000 years. Lisiecki found that the timing of changes in climate and eccentricity coincided. "The clear correlation between the timing of the change in orbit and the change in the Earth's climate is strong evidence of a link between the two," said Lisiecki. "It is unlikely that these events would not be related to one another."

Besides finding a link between change in the shape of the orbit and the onset of glaciation, Lisiecki found a surprising correlation. She discovered that the largest glacial cycles occurred during the weakest changes in the eccentricity of Earth's orbit -- and vice versa. She found that the stronger changes in Earth's orbit correlated to weaker changes in climate. "This may mean that the Earth's climate has internal instability in addition to sensitivity to changes in the orbit," said Lisiecki.

She concludes that the pattern of climate change over the past million years likely involves complicated interactions between different parts of the climate system, as well as three different orbital systems. The first two orbital systems are the orbit's eccentricity, and tilt. The third is "precession," or a change in the orientation of the rotation axis.

Boy - it sure sounds like scientists don't really know what impacts the Earth's weather patterns or how much each factor is contributory.

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Re: Climate Impacts on Ancient Societies...

Postby CharlieB » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:57 pm

I will use one of my favorite Mark Twain's:

"History may not repeat itself, but it often rhymes."
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Re: Climate Impacts on Ancient Societies...

Postby DanielJones » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:25 pm

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US: We don’t need no stinkin’ evidence – by Paul Driessen

Who can forget the classic confrontation between Humphrey Bogart and Alfonso Bedoya in “Treasure of the Sierra Madre.” It’s now being reprised in living color, featuring banditos from East Anglia, Penn State, Washington and the UN.

“We’re Federales,” they tell us. “You know, climate police. Evidence? We ain’t got no evidence. We don’t need no evidence. We don’t have to show you any stinkin’ evidence.


http://www.hacer.org/usa/?p=162

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Re: Climate Impacts on Ancient Societies...

Postby DanielJones » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:38 pm

Book review:

The Little Ice Age: How Climate Made History 1300-1850

By Brian J. Fagan, Basic Books, 2001, Hardcover, 272 pages, $26.00
It has been observed that historical accounts tell us as much about the time they were written as the time they are writing about. The protagonists of Brian Fagan's history of world events between 1300 and 1850 are not the usual heroes and scoundrels that people most history books. Center stage in this account is the weather, a major climatic event that sent the world into a five hundred year mini-deep freeze.


http://www.becominghuman.org/node/bookreviews/little-ice-age-how-climate-made-history-1300-1850

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