How I spent Wednesday night (AO 1911A1 adventures)

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How I spent Wednesday night (AO 1911A1 adventures)

Postby AeroDillo » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:14 am

Several years back I picked up an Auto Ordnance 1911 at a gun show. I'd been in the market for a government model for a while and of all the offerings in my admittedly short price range the AO seemed the best of the lot. It had a number of features that appealed to me. It was a pretty basic gun - not a whole lot of extra features, but I liked that. I liked that it had the proper vertical slide serrations, and that it had plain checkered plastic grips (Springfield Armory...looking at you here). And I liked that it just looked right. Just a parkerized base model 1911 that wasn't lugging around a billboard on the slide (a la Springfield and Rock Island).

So I shelled out the princely sum of $325 American and went home with a new toy. There was but one issue with my new wondergun: the finish.

It sucked. I mean, we're talking Remington-870-Express-field-finish leave-rusty-fingerprints-the-day-after-the-purchase sucked. I assumed when I bought the gun that it was parkerized because it had the correct tint. Non-reflective and gray with maybe a touch of green somewhere back in the process.

It wasn't parkerized. I have a number of guns that are. I have an M1 carbine I bought a few years prior that absolutely positive will not rust. I have a 1937 S&W Brazilian that I had parked in Austin that hasn't discolored in the least in five years. I have a 1903 Springfield arsenal rebuilt in 1944 with a finish that looks like teetotal bunk - but it's parkerized, and it too refuses to rust. Which brings us back to Auto Ordnance and their mystery mix. Which, regretably, is nowhere near as tough as the finish they put on their wooden grips, which after several painful and frustrating hours one night I decided would be one of those few things to survive a nuclear holocaust (the others being Twinkies, cockroaches, Cessna 150s, and Keith Richards).

Thus began a magical adventure in shoestring refinishing work that, unbeknownst to me, would become a yearly ritual. Usually this minor voodoo ceremony takes place in the late summer when the humidity is at its worst and those lovely rusty cancer spots start appearing with alarming frequency. Offhand, I think is the fourth year I've refinished this particular pistol. The first time wasn't pretty. Me being young and dumb and possessed of the twelve dollars needed for a Birchwood-Casey value refinishing pack, I figured this couldn't be too hard.

I flipped through the information pamphlet that came with the kit. Looked easy enough - clean and degrease, steel wool, blue and rust remover, clean and degrease, soapy water, perma blue solution, and oil bath, and and overnight setting period. I think. Pretty sure the first go-around I just looked at the pictures. Come to think of it that's probably what happened the second time, too.

At any rate I set up shop an enclosed space, popped the cap on three different chemicals (at least two of them mildly toxic) and went to work. All in all I didn't do half bad, considering. I got most of the solutions on the pistol, which I'd shown the foresight to partially disassemble, and I think they even went on in the right order. I wrapped everything up in maybe thirty minutes, cleaned up my mess, and wandered off to bed and a night's worth of sweet, sweet chemically-enhanced dreams.

In the morning I considered my handiwork by the light of day. It was a funny kind of bluing - all blotchy and uneven. Looked sort of like camouflage. Or like it'd been refinished by a moron. I chalked it up to crappy materials and that was that. Except for one small detail.

Apparently cold finishes have to be set properly. This means following the stuff in the book, rinsing the parts with water, and drowning them in oil. But not just any oil. Birchwood-Casey preservative oil! Which I didn't have. That's when I learned that if instructions call for something by name...it might be a good idea to have some on hand. A couple of shop rags later I'd wiped off most of the solution I'd put on the night before. But it quit leaving greasy tracks on my hands and it wasn't rusted so I called it good. And that was that.

A year or so later...the time came again. I bought another kit, field stripped the pistol, and went to work. The cleanup was considerably easier this time as the gun had almost zero finish. What little was left after the first escapade had been worn off, and in its place had grown more rust. But by this time I had a secret weapon: steel wool. But still in the throes of youngness and dumbness I overlooked the crucial fact that while steel wool has marvelous scouring abiliities it also had the unfortunate tendency to shed. I repeated the process and when I sealed the gun up at the end I'd almost bet it was half an ounce heavier for the steel shavings left inside. I surgeon, alas, I am not.

Me and my favorite pistol then spent a glorious year of shooting and regular cleaning. It didn't jam, I shot minute of milk jug, and together we burned through enough ammo to have furnished a tri-country crime spree and made John Dillinger proud. Every once in a while it would spit out a couple of flakes of steel dandruff and by the next annual refinish event I decided I ought to do something. I bought a can of BC's aerosol cleaner/degreaser and went to town. By the time I finished those internals were spotless. Not a speck of dust.

What I didn't realize was that cleaning and degreasing meant removing lubrication. So when I put it back together for a third time I did without putting on much in the way of oil. But the damned thing kept ticking. I shot a little less that year, sprayed it down after every range session, and let it spend most of its off time lounging on a pillow full of dessicant.

The next time I figured out that you need to clean/degrease, refinish, and oil. I probably could have gotten that sooner had I bothered with the instructions, but hey.

Which brings us to this year. After five years of pretty good service my precious was looking sort of ragged around the edges. Being marginally less young and dumb than previous, I came home last night and reached a decision. This time around it was going to be total war. No stone unturned, no part left un-retouched, and no more splotches.

And here we have the results so far. Complete disassembly (first time for that - reassembly promises quite the adventure). With any luck I'll have a couple of parts on order later today.

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So that's my Auto Ordnance story. They make one hell of a gun with one terrible, terrible finish. :lol:[*][*]
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (and most of Thursday morning)

Postby n11pilot » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:41 pm

Wow! Great post, John.

I've been looking at the AO 1911 for a few years now and have often been tempted by the very reasonable price. I've been waved off by some of my friends who work on the money taking side of the counter, usually with a cryptic word or two on quality. I guess now that they were talking about the finish.

Aside from the finish the weapon seems to be a good one. Would it be a good idea the pick one up and have it refinished? I ask that only beause I lack your skill, not to mention that really neat screwdriver set in the photo.

Good luck with the rebuild, I'd like to see pictures of the finished project.

Oh, speaking of pictures, thank you for the mental graphic of Keith Richards flying a 150 away from a mushroom could while eating twinkies and fighting off glowing cockroaches. :lol:
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (and most of Thursday morning)

Postby AeroDillo » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:45 pm

Auto Ordnance quality has a hit and miss reputation from back in the day. Fortunately, when Kahr picked up the company I understand there was a considerable quality increase across the board. My 1911 is apparently post-takeover. My 27A1 Thompson...the jury's still out on that; it needs some work, too, but I believe that's just a hallmark of the breed.

I have a friend who bought an AO 1911. Before the purchase he was advised that some were shooters and some weren't. That both of us got serviceable pistols is what I'd consider an encouraging sign. Both are marked as AO products but the serial ranges put them in the Kahr years. There are lemons out there but they seem to be getting fewer and further between. Most of the bad stories I've heard come second- or third-hand. Those I know who've owned and shot one themselves seem happy enough. I mean, it's not a Colt...but it doesn't carry a $1500 price tag, either.

Also, I take umbrage at the insinuatation that I possess 'skill'. I'm more in the neighborhood of 'sheer dumb luck'. :mrgreen:









And the intrepid Mr. Richards will be fine as long as he can get around those coconut trees. :lol:
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (and most of Thursday morning)

Postby The Oracle » Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:19 pm

That is a good post John. I used a cold blue kit many years ago and it gave me a good service life. I have considered to attempt parkerizing one of my old rifles. I have been told it is easy, but thus far I have left it to my gunsmith when I do a build. Keep us posted on how this one hold up.
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (and most of Thursday morning)

Postby AeroDillo » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:12 am

One complete 1911A1, reduced to component parts. All those pieces that I'm keeping for the project have been blued and set out to dry. Those parts that I mean to swap out not pictured as I haven't recieved them yet.

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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (and most of Thursday morning)

Postby AeroDillo » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:09 am

Well...we have an update. I reassembled the pistol last night. All the parts went together and it functions like it's supposed to, so that's a plus. I'll take it down when the parts arrive and make the switch.

Unfortunately, that marvelous bluing that took up most of this exercise so far is beginning to wear.

Yes. You heard that correct. The gun has been finished for less than a week and it's already showing severe wear. In fact, the slide is almost back down to bare metal with nothing more than routine handling and assembly. So what do we learn from this?

Birchwood-Casey cold bluing is complete, utter bunk. I understand that cold bluing doesn't hold up as well as hot, and that hot blueing doesn't wear as well as parkerizing, but this is ridiculous. So it appears that I'll have to find another solution, strip the entire gun AGAIN, and take another crack at this finishing business.

So...screw you, Birchwood-Casey. And your lousy finishing kits, too. :x
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (and most of Thursday morning)

Postby Blackthorn » Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:03 am

Excellent, informative thread. Thanks for all this info, John.
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (and most of Thursday morning)

Postby n11pilot » Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:53 am

Sorry to hear that, John. I hate lost labor more than lost money, I can always make more money but my time is gone for good. Well at least we now know not to trust Birchwood-Casey. We thank you for the warning.
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (and most of Thursday morning)

Postby AeroDillo » Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:13 am

In all fairness BC offers a stock finishing kit and number of cleaning articles that are just fine. Just bear in mind that the finishing stuff they sell is probably best restricted to touchup work.

Meantime, I got the slide (mostly) refinished. Not as smooth as it was, but it'll hold until something better comes along.
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (and most of Thursday morning)

Postby AeroDillo » Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:16 am

Mmm. Parts.

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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (and most of Thursday morning)

Postby n11pilot » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:33 am

John Frederick Bell wrote:Mmm. Parts.

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I love that "Christmas in Summer" feeling. I received the replacement grips and new spring set for my Browning 1910 two weeks ago so I know the feeling well.

Enjoy! :)
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (AO 1911A1 adventures)

Postby AeroDillo » Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:06 am

Still waiting on my second parts shipment. Nevertheless, I've been looking into alternate finishing methods that don't break the bank. After digging through a number of different gun boards I came up the suggestion of using high temperature engine paint. Alas, it's not available locally in colors to suit my 1911 project, but it works pretty well for other projects in which I'm less concerned with color than protection and durability.

Fortunately, I had just the thing.

I carry a (somewhat altered) Remington 870 Wingmaster as a truck gun. I picked it up a few years back for the purposes of building a mid-range tactical shotgun. Function is flawless, and because it's a Wingmaster instead of an Express it has an action like polished glass. Of course, it had some honest wear when I bought it - nothing serious, just some light surface rust and silvering on the sharp edges. Additionally, very few of the aftermarket parts matched the color of the remaining finish. The mag extension is aluminum and the sidesaddle and trigger group are plastic. So no dice with parkerizing or bluing.

So with my trusty truck gun up on the workbench and overdue for some cosmetic finish work I set out to see what could be done with this engine paint.

Before and after. The upper picture shows more or less how the gun looked after my first round of upgrades. The lower is the final configuration, though I'll occasionally swap out the birdshead pistol grip for a full stock.

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That thing looped up underneath is my whippet rig, built out of half of a rifle sling from the spares box. It loops over the shoulder and holds the pistol grip right about waist-high, and can also be removed via the QD swivel on the butt. Dillinger, baby! :mrgreen:
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (AO 1911A1 adventures)

Postby n11pilot » Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:43 am

Great work, John. It is very hard to beat the action on an 870 Wingmaster.
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (AO 1911A1 adventures)

Postby Doug Palumbo » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:18 am

As always, a great post and great writing! I'd love to be able to strip a pistol down life that. Now that I have a shop set up, I'll get the chance...after I buy myself some new toys. 8)
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Re: How I spent Wednesday night (AO 1911A1 adventures)

Postby AeroDillo » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:27 am

No time like the present. The 1911 is, in hindsight, fairly easy to detail strip. There are good number of references floating around the in the internet, but I took a somewhat harder route and used a reprint of a government field manual (it's greatly amusing to see the figures, which resembled a low quality photograph after being run through a Xerox machine a few times too many, annotated as being added for clarity).

Maybe when my extra parts show up I'll put up a pictorial disassembly/reassembly how-to. It's probably not the least bit necessary but it'd give me something to do. :twisted:
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