Tuna carry Fukushima Radiation

[Major Eaton]

Hey look on the bright side,,,

Maybe we could have some real beautiful mermaids for real..........

Head like a fish, body of Miss Universe!

[Super Ordinary Guy]

I just got done with a class on environmental law, and I can tell you that you don't even have to go as far as the ocean to be eating probably-contaminated stuff. Nuclear stuff and stuff done by the military is wholesale exempted from the solid-waste-treatment law. Civilian nuclear stuff has its own rules covering it (which we didn't get into a lot of detail on but are still inadequate), but anything done by the military is completely exempted from any environmental law. Not always in the sense that the laws don't apply to them, but they can't be enforced against them (the military cannot be sued and a lot of the laws about dumping stuff that contaminates other people's property rely on the owner of said property suing the dumper) which means they have no incentive to obey, which means there are parts of the US where people are picking up all kinds of chemicals and some radiation that could only have come from the local military base.

I hate to dispute you but having been on many military bases and went through the environmental evolution I can say that I truly haven't seen any base I have been on breaking the law... As a matter of fact they spend way too much money (your taxes and mine) on getting it fixed....

First run in we had with environmental.. we used to use deicing fluid sprayed on the aircraft in the early morning if they were flying morning missions and iced up. And just where did the run off fluid go????? why right into the drains on the flight line which emptied into the local creek......

On very cold mornings you could smell the alcohol a couple of miles from the base entrance as we drove to work... That stoppled immediately , new drains and holding tanks installed and contracts were awarded to civilian companies to empty and dispose of our waste deicing fluids.. The same goes for the hydraulic fluid waste...

After changing brakes on the fighters we would have to bleed the air out of the system...
One plastic straw, large size and an empty one gallon plastic bottle were used for this. We would bleed the system until we couldn't see air bubbles in the straw and then move on to the other wheel. Those who lived off base would take the bottles of hydraulic fluid home and pour it on their gravel or dirt driveways. It would setup like concrete giving you a nice hard driveway... That stopped immediately. Again holding tanks for the fluid, and special dumpsters for the plastic containers and straws , more contracts awarded to civilian companies to remove and dispose of the waste...

I could go on and on but while I am not a huge proponent of the government I will say FROM MY EXPERIENCE the military goes out of its way to obey the environmental laws.

Much better from I see my county and city doing right here where they dump into the 3 rivers all the time and are always getting fined......

[Blackthorn]

On very cold mornings you could smell the alcohol a couple of miles from the base entrance as we drove to work.....

And you're blaming the de-icing fluid for that? Come on, SOG, I've heard your stories!

[n11pilot]

On very cold mornings you could smell the alcohol a couple of miles from the base entrance as we drove to work.....

And you're blaming the de-icing fluid for that? Come on, SOG, I've heard your stories!

Holding tank for de-icing fluid? I've never heard of an NCO Club named the "Holding Tank".

[Super Ordinary Guy]

On very cold mornings you could smell the alcohol a couple of miles from the base entrance as we drove to work.....

And you're blaming the de-icing fluid for that? Come on, SOG, I've heard your stories!

Would I lie to you ??????

Why I would rather take poison << raises right hand as swearing in >>

[Blackthorn]

On very cold mornings you could smell the alcohol a couple of miles from the base entrance as we drove to work.....

And you're blaming the de-icing fluid for that? Come on, SOG, I've heard your stories!

Would I lie to you ??????

Why I would rather take poison << raises right hand as swearing in >>

[n11pilot]

I just got done with a class on environmental law, and I can tell you that you don't even have to go as far as the ocean to be eating probably-contaminated stuff. Nuclear stuff and stuff done by the military is wholesale exempted from the solid-waste-treatment law. Civilian nuclear stuff has its own rules covering it (which we didn't get into a lot of detail on but are still inadequate), but anything done by the military is completely exempted from any environmental law. Not always in the sense that the laws don't apply to them, but they can't be enforced against them (the military cannot be sued and a lot of the laws about dumping stuff that contaminates other people's property rely on the owner of said property suing the dumper) which means they have no incentive to obey, which means there are parts of the US where people are picking up all kinds of chemicals and some radiation that could only have come from the local military base.

Chive, If you had limited that to chemicals I would have said maybe. I say that because they are always unearthing chemical shells, dispersal tanks and containers left over from WWI. These relics of an attempt to catch up to the Germans in terms of chemical warfare were in many instances simply abandoned or buried in place after November of 1918. In some cases they find it in the center of cities like Washington DC. I will even yield on the point that some contractors in the past, say pre 1980, have not always been adhering to chemical disposal regulations to maximize profits on large DOD contracts.

Where I start to question it is in the area of nukes. In this age of terror, a radiological device can be constructed out of almost anything radioactive. I'm not talking about a bomb as in good bye Hiroshima but in terms of a dirty bomb or even radioactive poisoning of food and water. The military has some very stringent security measures in place when dealing with anything nuke. The people involved are issued clearances based on background investigations and in most cases on an SBI. They are further subject to a continuing Personnel Reliability Program. Facilities handling nukes are subject to extreme physical security measures and I am sure the IT security is just as strong. I know that nothing is 100% foolproof in security but a damn good attempt is made here. Below are links to just a sample of the manuals and regulations on handling radiological materials. These are just a fraction of the open source publications and it must be understood that there are many others that are need to know only and some are issued for one facility only specific to need. I must also point out that compliance to the regulations and procedures is inspected frequently and comprehensively.

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corr ... 71506r.pdf

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corr ... m_vol3.pdf

http://www.marines.mil/news/publication ... 0.105E.pdf

http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/p385_24.pdf

http://www.dispositionservices.dla.mil/ ... Chap10.pdf

http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng- ... 80/c-9.pdf

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/usaf/afi10-2518.pdf

http://www.dla.mil/dlaps/dod/416021m/chap4.pdf

http://www.campbell.army.mil/campbell/S ... ell%20(CAM)%20Regulations%20and%20Circulars/CAM%20Reg%20385-1%20Radiation%20Protection%20Program.pdf

[Irish Fist]

I just got done with a class on environmental law, and I can tell you that you don't even have to go as far as the ocean to be eating probably-contaminated stuff. Nuclear stuff and stuff done by the military is wholesale exempted from the solid-waste-treatment law. Civilian nuclear stuff has its own rules covering it (which we didn't get into a lot of detail on but are still inadequate), but anything done by the military is completely exempted from any environmental law. Not always in the sense that the laws don't apply to them, but they can't be enforced against them (the military cannot be sued and a lot of the laws about dumping stuff that contaminates other people's property rely on the owner of said property suing the dumper) which means they have no incentive to obey, which means there are parts of the US where people are picking up all kinds of chemicals and some radiation that could only have come from the local military base.

I was about to say; "How ironic that the 12 year old girl found a way to blame the military for the environmental problems; did they teach you that at My Little Pony University" until I did a Google search.

military is completely exempted from any environmental law - Be afraid... be vary afraid.

[n11pilot]

I just got done with a class on environmental law, and I can tell you that you don't even have to go as far as the ocean to be eating probably-contaminated stuff. Nuclear stuff and stuff done by the military is wholesale exempted from the solid-waste-treatment law. Civilian nuclear stuff has its own rules covering it (which we didn't get into a lot of detail on but are still inadequate), but anything done by the military is completely exempted from any environmental law. Not always in the sense that the laws don't apply to them, but they can't be enforced against them (the military cannot be sued and a lot of the laws about dumping stuff that contaminates other people's property rely on the owner of said property suing the dumper) which means they have no incentive to obey, which means there are parts of the US where people are picking up all kinds of chemicals and some radiation that could only have come from the local military base.

I was about to say; "How ironic that the 12 year old girl found a way to blame the military for the environmental problems; did they teach you that at My Little Pony University" until I did a Google search.

military is completely exempted from any environmental law - Be afraid... be vary afraid.

I don't know. I went to the Google page and it was mostly petitions to remove military exemption to civilian environmental regulations. I didn't see much to tell me that the US Army has declared war on Bambi. Perhaps before jumping on the bandwagon it would be a good idea to see what if any environmental safeguards are in place for the military.

[News Hound]

Getting this topic back on target...

Fukushima, Washington Hides ‘Black Swan’ of Economic Collapse

[Major Eaton]

Gorbachev said the same of Chernobyl coincidently enough...that is was the reason the USSR broke up, ultimately.