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Re: Facebook Parenting

Postby n11pilot » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:14 pm

AeroDillo wrote:I had, with some difficulty, written a response to this. Having slept on it I've decided it's not worth posting. I doubt I'll change any minds. I know you guys won't change mine. You've heard the short version. I'll leave it at that.

We part on opinion. But we part nonetheless.

My last two cents on the matter.




Dillo, I'm not sure we disagree in principal. I just think there may be more to it than can be gleaned from the video. I was joking when I suggested he be a presidential candidate I was just implying that at least he took a stand of sorts. Like I said I wouldn't do it myself but I think I can understand the frustration that led him to doing something so over the top.

One thing we can agree on is that he needs more range time. That was a terrible group especially at that distance. :)
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Re: Facebook Parenting

Postby Hakaider » Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:25 pm

I had, with some difficulty, written a response to this. Having slept on it I've decided it's not worth posting. I doubt I'll change any minds. I know you guys won't change mine. You've heard the short version. I'll leave it at that.

We part on opinion. But we part nonetheless.

My last two cents on the matter.


AeroDillo, I may disagree with your opinion on this thread, but it doesn't mean that I don't respect you, and it wasn't meant to be taken personally. I agree with some of the opinions that you have written in the past, but sometimes people are not always going to agree on everything. I think it's best to "agree to disagree" on this matter, and we'll leave it that. :)

One thing we can agree on is that he needs more range time. That was a terrible group especially at that distance.


Agreed. He was a lousy shot at that close range. :D
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Re: Facebook Parenting

Postby Chivewarrior » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:57 pm

I think it would have been an overreaction whether he shot it, ran it over with a car, hit it with a sledgehammer, or really did any other method of destruction besides taking it away and either donating it or throwing it in the trash.

Teenagers are brats. Teenagers do a lot of "no one understands me"-- I think those of you who are saying that she used the most advanced technology available to shame the parents are overestimating her calculation and underestimating the degree to which technology is central to our lives. Used to be it was a rant in the cafeteria to your friends. These days you post it on the internet. Yes, it is ungrateful and they should expect consequences if they do it where their parents can find out.

Teenager posts words you don't like on Facebook? Take away the Facebook, maybe spank the kid if that's your style of discipline. (I'm not actually opposed to spanking as long as it really is spanking, with a clear cause-and-effect thing, and not just taking your anger out on your kid.) I think dragging everybody else into it, making a gleeful show of how he's right and the daughter is wrong? Right into overreaction. I saw a description on another blog as "like hunting fleas with a hand grenade."

I have a parent who is similar in pattern but her explosions are much less explosive. I still don't feel safe. I can't imagine feeling safe in a household where my father took a gun to my laptop because I said stuff online, and I can't condone any behavior that causes a child to feel actively unsafe at home. (For those who are going to accuse me of "liberal parenting" or what have you, "unsafe" is different from "punishment." You can punish a child, and even spank a child, without making them feel unsafe at home.)
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Re: Facebook Parenting

Postby davidg » Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:32 pm

I read a followup on the incident and apparently the "child" had done similar things before and was punished, and did NOT learn. I don't think his act was a problem at all..

..then again, perhaps I'm just tired of bratty kids..
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Re: Facebook Parenting

Postby Eric Renderking Fisk » Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:47 pm

Have I ever told this story in public before on our forum?

My mother's boyfriend from 1981 to 1985 was a genuine abusive red neck, illiterate neo-Nazi prick who handed out sever punishment because I was a non-conformist smart ass who took issue with the rhetoric he was spilling about all "N!ggers, Jews, faggots, and communists" should be killed at birth and The United States should have finished what Adolph started.

This character also ripped up and burned many of my books on many different occasions because he didn't like me reading or being too smart.

I was whipped with a switch until I nearly passed out from the pain because I said to my sister he was the definition of a Nazi.

    Burn books? Check
    Hatred of Jews? Check
    Rhetoric about Jewish incineration? Check

If you sound like a Nazi and act like a Nazi... chances are really good that you are indeed... a Nazi.

At this point one would have thought Child Protective Services would have intervened... but allegedly too many people in the town were afraid of this character.

There was more abuse; physical, emotional, sexual abuse. The bunk that I endured was actually worse that what some men are serving life-long prison terms for war crimes. I've spent a lot of hours in therapist's offices and AA meetings trying to figure out how to fix or unbreak myself from what happened. I consider myself an expert in the field of parental douche baggery.

What this girl went through before she posted that nasty mean bunk about her dad was nothing compared to what I went through. Everything I had besides some clothes were thrown out because a few Saturdays before I was literally locked in my bed room for 48 hours and I wasn't allowed to go to the bath room so I filled a couple of his fancy Avon cologne bottles that were being stored in our room full of piss. He went to put some of his cologne on his face and the rest was history.

The daughter of this guy has no idea of what "hard" really is, nor does she know what responsibility or respect means, either. I hate to say this because I really don't know the full story, but I get the sense that this girl has been a huge problem for her parents

When I was in my teens, my parents never gave me a computer. If they did, it would have been destroyed for asking simple, honest questions OR just being myself. Every time I sit at the computer and try and get work done I hear those voices repeated over and over again. I'm a no good rotten little bastard that ruined my parents life and I'm the reason why my father drank too much and ran away from home and abandoned us. I'm the source of all of my family's problems and my mom should have sent me away to "sleep away school" (you call them "orphanages") when she had the chance. Or maybe everyone would have been better off and died when I had that intestinal blockage when I was a few months old. Or maybe everyone would have been better off if I was never born at all.

I can not sit at this computer and work because I was told that I was too stupid to even function when I was a child. If I made any mistake I was on my own; you made your bed, now lie in it.

I'm struggling with those things that were said to me when I was growing up. I wake up every morning saying that this is the day I DON'T take my own life. I have this struggle with post traumatic stress disorder, depression, and narcissism (the fake image that people have of me, hiding my true self from the outside world.) I have tired to kill myself more times than I care to count. It's a constant struggle just to maintain a will to live.

Couple this with having sons that I have to discipline sometimes. I look at pictures of my sons and I start to get a little sick when I think about the times I had to spank them. But this post is way too long as it is...
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Re: Facebook Parenting

Postby Chivewarrior » Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:29 pm

The fact that worse things happened to you does not make what happened to her okay.
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Re: Facebook Parenting

Postby Hakaider » Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:46 pm

The fact that worse things happened to you does not make what happened to her okay.


You know, Chive, that was really not a nice thing to say to Ren. Ren has gone through a lot in his life, and what you had just said is downright disrespectful, and rude. :x
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Re: Facebook Parenting

Postby n11pilot » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:20 pm

Chivewarrior wrote:The fact that worse things happened to you does not make what happened to her okay.



Perhaps not but it should put the action into a sort of perspective. I can't fully excuse what the "Facebook" father did nor can I fully condemn it, but I can understand the frustration that drove him to his actions. I cannot however even start to understand the actions of Eric's nemesis.

By comparison the "Facebook" father is a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize. Although to be honest the bar for that honor has been set pretty low lately.
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Re: Facebook Parenting

Postby Eric Renderking Fisk » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:01 am

Chivewarrior wrote:The fact that worse things happened to you does not make what happened to her okay.


Did I say that? If that's how it came out then I don't know how to amend what I said to change that perception. I know what it's like to have things that I owned taken from me and destroyed and I know how much it hurts. I think it's a safe bet that I'm more familiar with that emotion than you or her. That doesn't make me better than you two, just sadly more experienced.

One minute I feel for the dad because I'm a parent, other times I empathize with the girl because I know what it's like to have something you enjoyed destroyed and unable to stop it.

Parents live in their own personal hell because of what they had to do to or for their children. I feel like bunk because I had to spank Tumble for crossing our street unsupervised when he was 2. He could get run over and killed by a driver going too fast on our street and I'm cringing just thinking about it. I would rather spank him so he won't cross the street again with out looking both ways than see him get killed. I'm also cringing with thoughts of things Coppertop has done that could have seriously hurt himself.

It eats away at me that I had to make my child cry to get him to understand that he shouldn't do things that are going to get him hurt even worse. I would be a horrible parent if I didn't get it through my sons' heads not to do things that would get them hurt or killed and I would feel even worse if they died because of my own in-actions. I think the dad in that video let things too far and had to do something extreme to get her attention and straighten her out. I also think that was too late.

I think everyone has to admit that his daughter should never have wrote that crap about her parents on Facebook, and then hide it from them so only her friends would get it. She had some sever punishment coming. She almost asked for her dad to shoot that laptop with that letter. I'm not saying with 100% certainty that either party was in "the right."

The situation is too complicated and I'm too far removed to make a definitive statement. I'm only an expert on my own experience and opinion until my wife tells me otherwise.

Hakaider wrote:You know, Chive, that was really not a nice thing to say to Ren. Ren has gone through a lot in his life, and what you had just said is downright disrespectful, and rude.


Thanks, it's OK. I know she's young and trying to learn to express herself. She hasn't been through the same things I have and it must be hard for her to understand. I appreciate your sentiment, though. Thanks for having my back.

n11pilot wrote:Perhaps not but it should put the action into a sort of perspective. I can't fully excuse what the "Facebook" father did nor can I fully condemn it, but I can understand the frustration that drove him to his actions. I cannot however even start to understand the actions of Eric's nemesis.

By comparison the "Facebook" father is a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize. Although to be honest the bar for that honor has been set pretty low lately.


One of the things I'm trying to understand is how this character got so mean. What happened to him to make him that way, or was he just evil? Are people just born evil? And how could I ever forgive him for what he did?

I honestly don't know. I can easily forgive Chive, but him?
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