The Righteous Nastiness of the Most Caring People in America

[n11pilot]

According to themselves, the hard left in America are the most open minded, most thoughtful, and most caring group of folks in the USA. My question is if that is true why are they being so damn uncivil? I have two cases in mind, one is the Juan Williams dissmissal which has been discussed on another thread. I will simply put that down to internecine fighting on the left where you have a liberal who is not the right kind of liberal being punished by the liberals who are the right kind of liberals. Confusing but accurate. It would seem that unless you agree totally with and are subject to the mavins of the far left, then you are open to ridicule and slander even if you are a liberal yourself. Think of it as a sort of a bloodless night of the long knives.

The second case involves the ironically named TV personality Joy Behar and her tendency to call people who disagree with her names. MS Behar has in the past called Donald Rumsfeld "Hitler Like" and more recently she referred to Senate hopeful Sharron Angle as a "Bit@h". Why is it ok for the most caring people in America to denigrate another person in a public venue and feel as if they have made an intellectual point by doing so?

In my humble opinion this less than civil attitude is nothing more than a symptom of a very weak cause. The left has precious little in the way of logic, facts, history, or thought on its side so like the playground bully it resorts to base name calling and posturing to get its point across. This tactic only works to a point and never survives a serious debate which is why the far left usually prefers a good shouting match to honest debate.



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPrA4633rec

[Cousi]

Oh holy crap - Joy Behar has all the answers apparently. She knows not only the best thing to do but who the best people are. Let's see, she called Angle "Hitler", "evil", "stupid" and "a moron" and the people who vote for her are "not thinking". Hasselback seems to be trying to defend the people who are do think, are aware of what's going on and know that Harry Reid and President Obama are taking the nation down a path they disagree with but the others would rather pull the race card or just call them stupid.

GAH!

[Fedora]

Joy shouldn't have her own show. She doesn't have the brains. And is probably the Left's worse enemy, as it shows the Left as being dunderheads. I can only watch a few minutes of her, before I have to go to the History Channel.

I think the Democratic Party is less monolithic than the Republican Party. The unbrella is larger on the Democratic side, with the far Left trying to control everything. Remember, there once were quite a few Blue Dog Democrats, who were fiscally conservative but socially liberal. And there are probably still a few, who have no voice in that party to speak of. But if we only have the far right and the far left winning elections, with no middle ground, which seems to be the direction we are moving. This does not serve us very well, and can even be a bit dangerous, IMO. We will spend our time moving between the extremes, with one party trying to correct what the other did, and we go in circles. And problems don't get addressed.

[Blackthorn]

The fact that Joy Behar has a show of her own shows how far this country has sunk. There should be no viewers, and therein lies the problem.

Here in the People's Republic of California, the president of the National Organization for Women has called our female gubernatorial candidate (Republican, of course) a "(I have a foul mouth!)," and is unapologetic. So much for them wanting to see women in politics.

A few years ago, Lt Governor (at the time) Bustamante was giving a speech to the NAACP and inadvertently used "the N word" without realizing it. He didn't even notice it at first until the murmurs began, then he realized what he had said. He began apologizing profusely, but obviously it is a normal part of his conversation. The NAACP and the press, although mentioning it briefly, gave him a free ride. A Republican would have been tarred and feathered and run out of town.

Having watched politics carefully over the last 35 years (as many of you have also done), it has been obvious to me for decades that the primary characteristic of liberals is hypocrisy. Hence the vitriol they carry for anyone who doesn't drink their Kool Aid.

[Eric Renderking Fisk]

I have two words for everyone - Keith Oberman. You listen to this character for just 5 minutes you'll here some of the worst vitriol. Period.

I'm sure MSNBC doesn't understand Rush Limbaugh, never have and never will. They don't understand that some of the mean things he says is in tongue and cheek, and when he's genuinely angry he doesn't pull any punches. Keith Oberman is constantly angry at republicans, conservatives and blue dog democrats for the simple reason that they are who they are. It's like being angry at someone because they are black, asian, homosexual or retrocentric. It's irrational and obsessive. It's also painfully obvious that those same people who don't understand Limbaugh are trying to either parrot or parody his success. You can't.

Sometimes with Limbaugh he's being absurd to demonstrate the obscene. He did a segment once on the discrimination against "Fuglo-Americans," the F-ugly americans among us who need their own special interest groups to prove a point at how decisive some real groups are. A mother called in and was afraid that her daughter was a "Fuglo-American" and wanted to know how she could get her daughter to join the local chapter of "Fuglo-United." It took a few minutes for Ma-Ha-Rushie to explain to her that this was a bit... this was a gag in an effort to prove something.

Keith Oberman isn't afraid to call all Republicans, conservatives, and christians - yes, I said christians - Ugly and Stupid Americans. In all the shows I've seen in an effort to understand him and his perspective, it always comes to that. You don't understand the liberal agenda, you don't understand Obama, so in Oberman's world you're either stupid or a racist. They think in those terms, in radical black and white. You're either one of them, or you're one of us and there can be no middle ground.

Joyless Bahar is trying to be a feminine copy of a the liberal answer to Rush Limbaugh with out understanding him or the secret to his success. She's also genuinely angry and bitter and using genuine evil rhetoric that no conservative could get away with.

To tag along with what Steve wrote above - Christopher Hutchens wrote a book "Why Orwell Matters," which should be required reading in any English Class that teaches any one of his books, especially "Nineteen Eighty-Four" or "Animal Farm." Orwell wrote at lenght about what's wrong with the far right AND the far left and predicted what's going on right now, the radical paradigm shifts back and forth. We saw a huge radical paradigm shift towards The Right back in 1980, 1994, and we're going to see one this year, 2010. Every 12 to 14 years we seem to have a hard snap back towards the right, then slowly drift back towards the radical left, then snap back towards the right.

This isn't healthy, and proves to me the majority of americans "comes to their senses" and makes a radical leap back to the hard right to the answer to creeping liberalism that's crept too far towards socialism. It also says to me that once in power, Republicans become complacent, lazy and fall back to the same deficit spending they criticize the Democrats of doing. Republicans would remain in power if they did what they said, control spending and reduce the size of intrusive government, and make sure unemployment remains under 6%. Republicans get up on their hind legs and get hypocritical and dabble in some social issues on the third rail, they're done and out of the majority.

When you see huge quick shifts in power like this, you're seeing the cracks starting to show in an establishment or organization and unless there is a cleaning out and clean break from this behavior, it always spells doom.

[Fedora]

You know, I have a hard time listening to far right and far left hosts. I guess its because I am more of a middle ground guy. I do feel that the polarizing political climate is hurting us very badly, as a Nation. But, I guess we have been here before in our history. It seems to cycle. All that I can do is to hope that eventually we come to our senses, work things out and once again see ourselves as Americans first, and then whatever second. Until then, I will remain a lover of Ike. He is my own model for Republicans, and one that I could respect greatly. What ever happened to that kind of Republican? Show me one, and he will get my vote.

My main gripe with the Republican party today is the deregulations of the financial sectors. Bush Sr, I think pushed for deregulating the S and Ls, and we bailed them out. Then with the crash of 08, Bush Jr. bailed them out. And the financial reforms of Obama never addressed the flaws in any real manner.

And of course, rightly or wrongly, I lay the offshoring of industry at the Republicans feet, the Free Trade deal, etc. Of course Clinton went along with it, when I think it should have been vetoed by him. Yet, the Dems seem to be ok with the offshoring, as I think some in that party want to see wages equalized between us and China. To spread America's wealth abroad. So we all live like the Chinese workers.

I just hope we get a man running in 2012 that once again puts ALL of America first. I just can't see this happening though. I think we have bunk in our own bed to such a degree, we have learned to like laying in bunk. We lose notice of what we are sleeping in. Kinda like living in a smelly house. After awhile you don't notice the stench. It takes an outsider coming in, to tell you your place smells like a toilet.

[Eric Renderking Fisk]

The more I think about it, Steve, I think now more then ever we need a third party. Not the "Tea Party," but a name that has some more balls, for a lack of a better word.

The Traditionalist or Independence Party?

[Cousi]

There already is an Independent Party. Maybe Traditionalist Party. The Constitution Party gives me the creeps for some reason.

Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:
Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government, nor prohibited by the Constitution to the states, is reserved to the states or to the people;
American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.

It sounds great, but then reading around on the site I just started getting the creeps. Like when you talk to those members of your Church who frown on you for watching a PG-13 movie.

[Irish Fist]

"Roseanne says Palin is for the rich; blames Reagan for selling US to the Chinese," January 7th, 2011 4:22 am PT

Roseanne says Palin is for the rich; blames Reagan for selling US to the Chinese. On last night’s O’Reilly Factor, old TV dinosaur Roseanne Barr made an appearance to plug her new book. Does anyone even remember Roseanne? Why O’Reilly would even have her on is anyone’s guess, but she instantly turned the interview into a shameless opportunity to go on an anti-Palin, -Reagan bashfest that O’Reilly hardly challenged. Unsurprisingly, Roseanne also admitted that she is a proud socialist and apparently had been ever since she was a child being raised in Utah. She said she can’t stand Palin because she thinks she’s only for the wealthy. She also accused Reagan of destroying the social safety net for working people and declared that the US was fine until Reagan got elected. And, no, that was not an awkward attempt at stand-up comedy.

Wait... stop... why did anyone ask Roseanne anything?

[MacFett]

The more I think about it, Steve, I think now more then ever we need a third party. Not the "Tea Party," but a name that has some more balls, for a lack of a better word.

The Traditionalist or Independence Party?

We absolutely NEED a third or even fourth party. The two party system is broken in my opinion. I recommend the "Fedora Party".
And another thing... wasn't Oberman a sportscaster just a few years ago? He's like getting your news from John Stewart on comedy central. Problem is some people think they are reporting the "actual truth" not the entertainment truth.

[Blackthorn]

The more I think about it, Steve, I think now more then ever we need a third party. Not the "Tea Party," but a name that has some more balls, for a lack of a better word.

The Traditionalist or Independence Party?

We absolutely NEED a third or even fourth party. The two party system is broken in my opinion. I recommend the "Fedora Party".
And another thing... wasn't Oberman a sportscaster just a few years ago? He's like getting your news from John Stewart on comedy central. Problem is some people think they are reporting the "actual truth" not the entertainment truth.

hear, hear!

[Super Ordinary Guy]

I have been saying this for years. the two party system is broke and leaves us no choice..

Three or four party system much better......

Picture this country if you only had two grocery stores for everyone to buy from or two auto manufacturers,,, you get the picture........

I hope it happens, it is the only way our of this mess IMHO.

[Cousi]

Well, Rush Limbaugh was a sportscaster before he started commenting on national news so I can't disrespect Olbermann for that. Especially not when there are so many other reasons to disrespect him. Like his condescending attitude, his clear arrogance, the absolute disregard for neutrality that a 'reporter' should have and his violent, vitriolic hatred of everything not progressive, leftist or left wing. Olbermann is a hate monger, plain and simple. He is exactly what he accuses other of being, which makes him a hypocritical hate monger and as we all know, they're the worst kind.

[Bakool]

The Arizona murder who killed all those people. When it first occurred the media went crazy blaming Palin, Walmart, the tea party, and any and all conservatives.

When it turns out the guy was a far Leftist.

Olberman demanded apologies from several public conservative's, like Palin and Limbaugh. But when it came out the guy was left leaning, no one word of apology from Olberman or any other media outlet that made the immediate leap to "conservative crazy."

This Nastiness is coming from both sides, but I see most of the venom coming from the left. I'm not saying the right can't be nasty, I'm just saying that I see the hatred, vitriol and poison mostly coming from the left. And it's been that way for years.

[Bakool]

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647Left targeting the Right.

http://peterhayward.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/keith-olbermann-on-how-to-end-the-vitriol-in-politics/Olberman spew about the violence of targeting in politics.
Olberman says that the left, right and center need to end "targeting" but he mentioned by name 5 people on the Right, Palin, Beck, Sharon Angle, Allen West, Jessy Kelly and the Tea Party, but only says about the left "And if those of us considered to be “on the left”..." Not one name, just a vague inclusion of himself. Once again targeting the right and giving the left a general pass.