How much freedom are we willing to give up?

[The Oracle]

Not suprising, during the 91 Gulf War, many were disarmed long before we knew what the reaction by the local populaion was going to be and how much of a fight we would deal with. Difference between them and now is then they just took up ammo and according to the accounts I heard, it was local based on unit commanders decisions. I guess they feared some soldier would go postal because of their decisions. Of course, they forgot that using it as a club was also effective for this type of action, but did you no good if you needed to defend yourself against an enemy that was shooting.

I wonder how this lesson in gun control will work in a land were getting a AK is like getting your first car here?

[Cousi]

Speaking of government trying to take away freedoms and guns ...
The Blaze is reporting that Breitbart.com has found a very interesting video of Eric Holder expressing his opinions about the second amendment.

1995 VIDEO OF ERIC HOLDER: WE MUST ‘BRAINWASH’ PEOPLE AGAINST GUNS
Posted on March 18, 2012 at 4:13pm by Erica Ritz Print

New video of Eric Holder from 1995 has surfaced, and it may put “Fast and Furious” in a much broader perspective.

Recorded on CSPAN2, the clip shows current Attorney General Eric Holder laying out a strategy to “change the hearts and minds of the people in Washington, DC” in how they look at guns.

“What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes.”

Though it’s no surprise that Eric Holder is anti-gun, critics are saying that his proposed initiatives go too far. Among other things, Holder suggested that there be some form of hotline you could call if see a gun, or have any “information” about one.

He also said that the school board should have some form of anti-violence or anti-gun message every day. “Every day, every school, at every level,” he stated.

Last, Holder admitted that his proposal is “brainwashing.”

“We have to be repetitive about this,” he said. “We need to do this every day of the week, and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.”

I think I'm screwing up the format of the video link, so here it is.

[n11pilot]

Well, after watching the video and adding what I already knew about Eric Holder I feel moved to say something negative about him in a well thought out intellectual way. I am afraid however that the best I can do is point out what an incompetent, biased, elitist dilettante he is. I would also add that when questioned by Congress he has the poorest memory of his own actions the world has seen since the Nuremberg trail testimony of Herman Goering.

[Cousi]

How very polite of you, pilot.

[The Oracle]

Don't beat around the bush, pilot. Tell us how you feel. By the way, I agree.

[Chivewarrior]

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2 ... ost-9.html

It's a detailed list of all the problems with the TSA, pointing out that a lot of the regulations make no sense when you think about them (for example, the butter knives given to first-class passengers on the airplane can't be brought on board from the outside... even though they pass them out on the plane), the controversial radiation body scanners come from a company lobbied for by a former director of Homeland Security, and airports essentially become rights-free zones. The no-fly list is a list of people who aren't dangerous enough to arrest, but are too dangerous to allow to fly, and not only can't you get off it when you're on it but you can't even get them to admit you're on it... or that it exists...

[Blackthorn]

This should scare the crap out of everyone:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/ ... s-outrage/

[n11pilot]

This should scare the crap out of everyone:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/ ... s-outrage/

I cannot condone destruction of EPA property so all I have to say is do not fire at a coordinated aiming point one hundred meters (Little more than a football field in length.) in front of the EPA drone. Do not use tracer rounds to confuse the on board optics of the EPA drone. And whatever you do, do not use all organic weapons in controlled anti aircraft fire against the EPA drone.

[The Oracle]

This should scare the crap out of everyone:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/ ... s-outrage/

It does, and has for some time. What will happen when someone does shoot down a drone in their backyard? Will the governement pander to the for the return of the drone the way they did to Iran? Nope they will barge in and take it.

Every time I read Patrick Henry's speech given as St. John's Church on March 23, 1775 (Known as the "Give me Liberty, or Give me Death" speech) I see another example of how we are being treated in the same manner that started the revolution then.

...Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other...

Patrick Henry
St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia
March 23, 1775

[Chivewarrior]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/ ... _bloc.html

Another blow for transparency in America: the FCC had required broadcast stations to disclose online how much political spending was going to advertising. So the House responded by... starting a bill to strip the FCC's ability to require that. Now, all this information is already mandated to be publicly available, you just have to go down to the TV station in person if you want it rather than being able to easily look it up online. And I'm all for knowing what politicians are spending on ads. Predictably, the broadcast media had a fit and claimed the advertising rates were trade secrets.

[n11pilot]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/06/house_republicans_seek_to_bloc.html

Another blow for transparency in America: the FCC had required broadcast stations to disclose online how much political spending was going to advertising. So the House responded by... starting a bill to strip the FCC's ability to require that. Now, all this information is already mandated to be publicly available, you just have to go down to the TV station in person if you want it rather than being able to easily look it up online. And I'm all for knowing what politicians are spending on ads. Predictably, the broadcast media had a fit and claimed the advertising rates were trade secrets.

A few years ago some comedian suggested that politicians should wear jumpsuits with the patches of their sponsors displayed prominently in the manner of NASCAR drivers. I think that is a great idea but more practically they should have to list their contributors and the amounts given just as prominently on their official web sites.

[n11pilot]

This should scare the crap out of everyone:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/ ... s-outrage/

It does, and has for some time. What will happen when someone does shoot down a drone in their backyard? Will the governement pander to the for the return of the drone the way they did to Iran? Nope they will barge in and take it.

Every time I read Patrick Henry's speech given as St. John's Church on March 23, 1775 (Known as the "Give me Liberty, or Give me Death" speech) I see another example of how we are being treated in the same manner that started the revolution then.

...Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other...

Patrick Henry
St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia
March 23, 1775

Proof once again that the Founding Fathers have a lot to teach us if only we as a nation listened.

[Major Eaton]

Proof once again that the Founding Fathers have a lot to teach us if only we as a nation listened.

Can't listen, if it's not being taught...

but I'm preaching to the choir here.

[The Oracle]

Proof once again that the Founding Fathers have a lot to teach us if only we as a nation listened.

Can't listen, if it's not being taught...

but I'm preaching to the choir here.

I feel your pain, but it is good to have friend in low places.

[Major Eaton]

The scary thing is that this has been predicted since 1958 and reiterated 16 years later.

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Excerpted from The JBS Council Dinner in L.A. March 9, 1974

Robert Henry Winborne Welch Jr. (December 1, 1899 – January 6, 1985) was an American businessman, political activist and author. He was independently wealthy following his retirement and used that wealth to sponsor anti-communist causes. He co-founded the conservative group the John Birch Society (JBS) in 1958 and tightly controlled it until his death. He became a highly controversial target of criticism by liberals, as well as some leading conservatives (wiki)