Which watch and where to wear it

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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby Igor de LStok » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:35 am

It was about ten years ago in response to incidents that showed that the number of teenaged school kids carrying knives was increasing that NSW enacted more stringent laws covering the carrying of knives. Basically (and I think the situation is still the same) you could carry a knife as long as it was for work, sport or survival purposes. I used to carry a heavy steel clasp knife with a marlin spike, a commercial blade identical to the army issue (below)

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...I got it because I occassionally had to work with ropes - sometimes we'd tie the trikes down onto an "S" truck (wooden sided, open topped freight wagon) and send them from one part of the state to another to start another run (ye Gods, I think they should stick me in the railway museum!). I went into the local "cop shop" and asked the police sergeant if I had a problem. He said that if I could show that I needed it for work I'd be ok and that the only question would be the marlin spike. In the end I decided that, whilst it was a great work knife, I just couldn't honestly justify carrying it as part of my everyday gear when I work in an office now. I now carry a small pen knife/nail clippers although I had a Swiss Card for a while - good idea but the plastic was too flimsy, might try one of the steel ones.

A good summary of what is legal over here is the Aussie Customs website which lists what you can import into the country. Some are obvious, where their only purpose is combat, but others are frankly ludiocrous - Paintball markers? Toy firearms? Laser pointers? If you are travelling be aware that airport searches are stringent and I have to even make sure my penknife is in my hold luggage. My late eighties mother-in-law, a great traveller, had her crochet hook taken off her when she was flying up to see us last time! I kid thee not!

I know that knife laws are a hot topic over there but Australia doesn't have the same traditions of freedom to bear arms as you do so we are more likely to see the trade-off between personal liberty and security.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby n11pilot » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:27 pm

Igor, Couldn't you just show the cop your nautical rope, knot, and splice collection and count the knife as hobby equipment? :D


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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby Blackthorn » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:59 am

Igor de LStok wrote:It was about ten years ago in response to incidents that showed that the number of teenaged school kids carrying knives was increasing that NSW enacted more stringent laws covering the carrying of knives. Basically (and I think the situation is still the same) you could carry a knife as long as it was for work, sport or survival purposes. I used to carry a heavy steel clasp knife with a marlin spike, a commercial blade identical to the army issue (below)

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...I got it because I occassionally had to work with ropes - sometimes we'd tie the trikes down onto an "S" truck (wooden sided, open topped freight wagon) and send them from one part of the state to another to start another run (ye Gods, I think they should stick me in the railway museum!). I went into the local "cop shop" and asked the police sergeant if I had a problem. He said that if I could show that I needed it for work I'd be ok and that the only question would be the marlin spike. In the end I decided that, whilst it was a great work knife, I just couldn't honestly justify carrying it as part of my everyday gear when I work in an office now. I now carry a small pen knife/nail clippers although I had a Swiss Card for a while - good idea but the plastic was too flimsy, might try one of the steel ones.

A good summary of what is legal over here is the Aussie Customs website which lists what you can import into the country. Some are obvious, where their only purpose is combat, but others are frankly ludiocrous - Paintball markers? Toy firearms? Laser pointers? If you are travelling be aware that airport searches are stringent and I have to even make sure my penknife is in my hold luggage. My late eighties mother-in-law, a great traveller, had her crochet hook taken off her when she was flying up to see us last time! I kid thee not!

I know that knife laws are a hot topic over there but Australia doesn't have the same traditions of freedom to bear arms as you do so we are more likely to see the trade-off between personal liberty and security.

Hope that helps.

Igor

Very interesting, Igor, thanks for all the info.
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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby Igor de LStok » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:38 am

n11pilot wrote:Igor, Couldn't you just show the cop your nautical rope, knot, and splice collection and count the knife as hobby equipment? :D

LOL! The desk sergeant was on my side, I think he commented that there was Buckley's [ie no chance] of getting the average cockie [farmer] from not carrying a work knife. The pen knife covers most needs I have about town - opening packaging mostly - and for a while I carried around a generic Leatherman tool in my workbag but it was never used so I put it in the boot of the car for emergencies instead.

n11pilot wrote:All laws like that have one basic flaw in that only the law abiding will pay any attention to them.

Its true but it is much clearer to identify the bad guys that way. Up 'til now my mouth has been able to get me out of pretty much all the trouble I've been in, some of which I blush to admit my mouth has got me into!

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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby Blackthorn » Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:13 pm

Igor de LStok wrote:LOL! The desk sergeant was on my side, I think he commented that there was Buckley's [ie no chance] of getting the average cockie [farmer] from not carrying a work knife.

Knives are the most universal tool in the world. It boggles the mind that they might try to enforce that law on farmers. What next, making steak knives illegal in restaurants?

On a similar note, I was very offended when Carnival Cruise lines confiscated my normal size Swiss Army knife on our cruise in May. I bought another one at our next port and smuggled it through security, then at dinner one night I pulled it out, set it next to the the 6 inch razor sharp steak knife that the ship had provided for our dinner, and took a picture. At the time I was going to send it to the customer complaint dept but then I realized they could care less what I think. The solution is for me not to go on any more cruises.
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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby Igor de LStok » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:12 am

Getting back to topic, I picked up my father-in-law's pocket watch after getting a new glass face fitted. I haven't had it appraised but I can tell you that it is an American Elgin watch which appears to have been made in 1942 from the serial number on the guts. As I think I've said, he was a Bridge Ganger at one point and I'm pretty sure it is a Victorian State Railways watch but I need to do a little more research into that. I remember that you could have a watch issued to you that you could pay off by having a small amount docked from your wages. He was also a "Digger" from WWII having served in Palestine and New Guinea but I think the army issue was a wristwatch.

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They have the air conditioning set way too low at work (I'm just lucky I'm not a brass monkey!) so I've taken to wearing a waistcoat / vest to the office. I'm wearing the Dalvey but frankly I don't want to take the risk of wearing it day-to-day, so I'm going to get a cheap reproduction mechanical pocket watch. The vest over a shirt makes a good compromise between formal and casual since I don't wear a tie and have my sleeves held back by expanding sleeve bracelets (I don't know what you call them) that were a present from my son for Christmas.

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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby n11pilot » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:15 am

Good looking watch and a very nice piece of history, Igor. If my memory serves me it resembles the B+O watch my Grandfather was issued with the exception that the face was white and had the railroad's logo in very small letters under the manufacturers name.

Elgin made damn fine watches and it should last for quite a while.

Oh, I think we call those elastic bands "Sleeve garters". Sounds sexier than they are. :D
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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby Igor de LStok » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:45 am

n11pilot wrote:Oh, I think we call those elastic bands "Sleeve garters". Sounds sexier than they are. :D


LMAO! "Sleeve garters" it is!

In the course of my research I came across The Pocket Watch Site, which was where I traced the serial number of the Elgin, but which has a wide range of watch related paraphanalia. I was interested in their watch fobs, which seem to be American railroads...

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...and I wondered how these were attached to the watch at the other end which is not illustrated? They look like a very characteristic way of wearing your watch. Googling "pocket watch fob" brought up some fascinating images (mostly chains) but some that caught my eye were (click on the images for the links)...

Good close up
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Transquip Railway uniforms...
1. Leather watch holder
2. Leather watch pocket
3. Leather watch FOB strap
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British WWII military watch of
German make with military fob
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Antique example
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Although this is classed in the original book
as weaving, it looks more like rope splicing
using fine grade twine
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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby n11pilot » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:06 am

Good links. I like the looks of that German military watch, they weren't messing around when they put the radium on those hands.
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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby confederate1956 » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:02 pm

As much as I love both Australia and the British Isles, "tough knife laws" will probably be the thing keeping me from visiting. Making _things_ illegal rather than going after criminals for what they do is an all too common cop-out from the powers that be. I agree with blackthorn, I'd definitely like to have a heads-up if that sort of draconian action happens here in the States.
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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby AeroDillo » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:58 pm

Igor de LStok wrote:Getting back to topic, I picked up my father-in-law's pocket watch after getting a new glass face fitted. I haven't had it appraised but I can tell you that it is an American Elgin watch which appears to have been made in 1942 from the serial number on the guts. As I think I've said, he was a Bridge Ganger at one point and I'm pretty sure it is a Victorian State Railways watch but I need to do a little more research into that. I remember that you could have a watch issued to you that you could pay off by having a small amount docked from your wages. He was also a "Digger" from WWII having served in Palestine and New Guinea but I think the army issue was a wristwatch.


Interestingly enough, I have that watch's cousin - same year, even. Only mine's a bomb timer, not a pocket watch. Cost me all of a buck at a garage sale a while back. :mrgreen:
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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby n11pilot » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:27 am

confederate1956 wrote:As much as I love both Australia and the British Isles, "tough knife laws" will probably be the thing keeping me from visiting. Making _things_ illegal rather than going after criminals for what they do is an all too common cop-out from the powers that be. I agree with blackthorn, I'd definitely like to have a heads-up if that sort of draconian action happens here in the States.




Right there with you and Blackthorn. If we don't watch out we'll lose everything to "Feel good" legislation.
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Re: Which watch and where to wear it

Postby DanielJones » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:34 pm

As of late I've taken to wearing my 1886 American Waltham. It keeps way better tome than most of my other wind up wrist watches and I can wear a snug shirt cuff the way I like it. Several of my vintage wristwatches need maintenance especially my Pops 1949 Eterna-Matic. With the Waltham I only lose maybe two minutes in a week, if that. Not bad for a 126 year old mechanical time piece. Some of the wind up watches that I wear can lose two minutes in a day.

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